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Such a good point, Carolyn, thanks. When I think of the huge, years-long effort (and unsuccessful so far) that has gone into kicking fossil fuel lobbyists out of the climate COPs, I worry that the INC- series won't go long enough to even get that conversation started...unless they get a treaty in South Korea and decide to keep meeting, at which point the incrementalism and the industry politics will be just beginning.

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I hope that the lobbyists for the fossil and chemical industries will be barred from attending the next INC-5 and the next COP. This comment was distressing to read “ But at a conference where youth had only a limited voice, the plastics industry was fully represented. One of the most striking aspects of the INC-4 was the extent to which member states and fossil fuel lobbyists were pushing for a treaty that was limited to managing plastic waste, rather than mandating a decrease in plastic production”.

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